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dramatic moments at the george zimmerman second-degree murder trial. the prosecution uses a dummy to challenge the defense witness but zimmerman's defense tries to turn the table. here is a look at other big stories. arraignment day for the suspect in the boston marathon bombing. he faces a judge and the family members of the victims. the pilots of the planes that crash landed in san francisco were not tested for drugs or alcohol. why they were not allowed to take blood samples. finger pointing, possibly foul play. the latest on the run away train
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that slammed into a small town and exploded. 45 people are still missing. this is cnn newsroom. the public getting a look at the 19-year-old terror suspect. he and his brother are blamed for killing three people in that race wounding more than 250 people and killing an m.i.t. police officer a few days later. >> reporter: it's been more than 11 weeks seize dzhokhar was found bleeding this this boat and bleeding profusely. his wounds will have largely heeled but those of the people he injured remain painful.
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there's 30 charges against him including using a weapon of mass destruction. >> it has such symbolic importance to these families to show that they continue to care for their loved ones. >> reporter: his lawyers are not commenting. a note found suggests retribution. i don't like killing innocent people but stop killing our innocent people and we will stop. >> he's not acting under the act or guidance of his older brother. no one is telling him to write these things. i think that indicates intent. >> reporter: his older brother was thought to be the ring leader but if h the indictment prosecutors make clear they believe he was an equal partner. he downloaded radical materials including an al qaeda inspired
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magazine containing a recipe for building pressure cooker bombs like those used in the terror attacks. he carried one of those devices in a backpack that detonated south of the finish line killing 8-year-old martin richard. >> i suspect we will see him in a couple of hours inside that courtroom. the courtroom is expected to be packed. is there a line outside? do we see victims of the bombing? do we see family members of those who lost their loved ones? >> reporter: there is a line outside. members of media are on that line and public spectators who want to get into the court. the families and victims were invited separately so they are rows available to them. we're told there will be some seats in that court available for anybody from the family who decided to show up. it's not clear whether anyone will.
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he arrived here about an hour and a half ago. he was in a u.s. marshal convoy. he was in a white van surrounded by state police and an armored vehicle following him. security is extremely, extremely tight and clearly it's fascinating when you see the image of somebody who has been in the newspaper and on tv and then to see them in person, to reconcile those 30 charges you mentioned includes use of a weapon of mass destruction, to reconcile the severity of the charges with the individual standing there in prison garb, it's going to be quite interesting to witness. >> we know the arraignment is going to happen. do we suspect he's going to say anything or make a statement? >> reporter: we don't. his lawyers are not speaking. usually what happens is the lawyers brief him on the charges. he's completely ware of what he's facing and then either the lawyer will enter a plea because
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he's got to respond of not guilty which is usually the case or guilty which will be explosive and that's usually when we hear the suspect utter one or two words. he can talk to the judge if he wants. she will likely ask him questions as to his prison conditions and if there's anything that needs to be addressed. there are some unknowns that will happen during what is a routine proceeding. >> all right. we'll be watching closely. thank you. appreciate it. there's new details about the pilots of the asiana airline that crashed. we knew the flying pilot was in the learning phase of learning to fly but now we're learn it can pilot sitting next to him in the instructor role was his first time in that role. for more on this and other details i want to bring in dan simon.
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pilot experience is one part of the investigation. how rare is it that you have one guy being trained for the first time landing in san francisco with that particular plane and then the other guy first time in the instructor role? >> reporter: the bottom line is here all the issues surrounding the pilots level of experience is going to be extremely critical to this case. were they communicating properly in the cockpit. another main focus seems to be on the automated flight equipment used to control the plane's speed. was it functioning properly. did the two pilots talk about it. all that will will be extremely critical and may determine what happened here. >> they didn't take blood samples after the crash. is that typical? do we know why that didn't happen? >> reporter: we know what the ntsb chairwoman said that it would have happened had they
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been u.s. based pilots. the agency is checking to see what the requirements are for foreign based carriers. some transportation officials say they should have been tested. take a listen to what one of them had to say. >> i think they should have demanded that they be tested. first of all u.s. pilots are subject to that. because this airline co-chairs with u.s. carriers, i think they should be subject to it because we're getting lots of american citizens on those airlines. i think there would be enough bite to do that if you pushed the issue. >> reporter: we expect that all these issues will come up again during the next ntsb briefing later this afternoon and we also expect to hear more about what the pilots have told investigators in terms of what happened. mpblt just a short time ago the
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faa announced new training requirements. this is for co-pilots to become certified. the number of flying hours will increase from 250 to 1500. that's a big jump. the change stems from the crash in february of 2009. all 49 people on board were killed along with one person on the ground. the new rule was ordered by congress and has been in the work for quite some time. new development in the murder investigation of normer nfl star aaron hernandez. according to newly released documents a suspect in the case says it was hernandez who shot and killed odin lloyd. he's charged with murder in lloyd's death. court documents reveal that hernandez was quote argue men tative when police came to his home to question him.
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hernandez had pleaded not guilty but remains in a massachusetts jail. this is a country deeply divided. we're talking about egypt. beyond the politics people are losing their lives including two teenagers. one thrown from a water tank. the other down an air shaft. mpblt dramatic moments in the george dummy to challenge a witness. the defense using to make another point. equinox in atlantis blue is mine! i was here first, it's mine. i called about that one, it's mine. mine! mine. it's mine. it's mine. mine. mine. mine. mine. it's mine! no it's not, it's mine! better get going, it's chevy model year-end event. [ male announcer ] the chevy model year-end event. the 13s are going fast, time to get yours. current chevy truck owners can trade up to this chevy silverado all-star edition with a total value of $9,000.
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forcing the president of egypt he was rehooufed from office in military coup. this was a week ago today. he's not been seen since. crowds in cairo have been packing the streets and squares every day since the coup either against or in support of morsi. cairo is a bit quieter today. it's not clear if the protest will ease up or get more intense during this religious holiday. something horrible happened during one of those protest rallies in egypt. we have video of this. it's quite disturbing. this is two boys tauntsing this angry crowd when the crowd went after them. it's very graphic and our ben wedeman has the story. >> reporter: the teenage boys
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huddle in terror atop a water tank on the roof of their apartment building. an angry crowd of supporters of morsi gathers below others scour the rooftop. the boys it's been reported may have tossed bricks down into the streets during a pro-morsi rock. rocks and taunts were thrown at the boys. the upper left hand corner men appear to be beating someone. the cell phone video is shaking, the images jarring. one man then another is thrown down around 20 feet then beaten. one died. another survivored by breaking away and scrambling down water pipes. they threw the 19-year-old to his death down an air shaft. the incident and video have inflamed opinion against morsi's
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muslim brotherhood. >> translator: you are dirty bastards the nothing dirtier than this. i've never seen anything dirtier than this. attention quickly focused on this man carried a flag. police arrested him within 24 hou hours. an akwaun tans talks about what happens. >> translator: i was stabbing one of them in the side when he grabbed my had and said no. i stopped. he told police he shaved off his beard to avoid being recognized after the footage was posted on
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facebook. he doesn't deny his guilt. i demand the death sentence and i will say this to the prosecutor. he'll probably get his wish. ben wedeman, cnn, cairo. a small town up in flames after a run away train exploded. did the firefighters make a deadly mistake. we'll have new details. ♪ [ male announcer ] some things are designed to draw crowds. ♪ ♪ others are designed to leave them behind. ♪ the all-new 2014 lexus is. it's your move.
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direct hit by tropical storm chantal. this may weaking before slamming into florida on friday. it's still going to bring torrential rain and dangerous surf conditions. right now it's moving over the caribbean with 45 mile an hour wind and as much as six inches of rain could soak the dominican and haiti today. senate democrats lost a bid to reverse the doubling of student loan rates. nine votes short of the 60 needed to advance that measure. the bill would host interest at 3.4% for one year. that rate doubled this month but the fix would have applied retro actively. former alaska governor and vice president candidate sarah palin flirting with the run to
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politics. palin tells sean ha nnitty she'l waiting to see what the line up will be. emotions running high in the small canadian town. it was unbelievable. partly incinerated with this run away train exploded. 45 people are still missing. they believe some could have been vaporized. the fire crews may have inadvertently played a role in this disaster. investigators are still looking into whether a crime was committed. >> reporter: it's clear police want to preserve the heart of what is a crime scene. they've asked firefighters to stop dousing it with water. they have dozens of investigators combing through what little is left and they've
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made it clear they're not convinced this is purely an incident. >> there are certain facts that might come. >> reporter: police refuse to describe what evidence they found. the victims caught up in this tragedy, the news was tough to take. >> it's not frustration. it's rage. i don't believe in fight fire with fire. i don't believe in that but this person killed a lot of people. my god. >> reporter: a bar was filled with patrons that took the brunt of the blaze. she's lost friends and wants answers how this could happen. people continue to be horrified by the details and the fact that oil tankers like this are still left unsecured near their homes. these nine tankers are all
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that's left. they remain parked in the small town and it's here where the train first ran into trouble. the train was left parked. the rain company's opener says the fire department was doing its job but may have triggered a break failure. >> i think the fire department -- >> reporter: the fire department denies their actions this any way contributed to this further complicating a challenging investigation. >> those investigators of that crash landing are focusing on the minute s before the train's bump and slide. we want to know what it's like to land the plane. we'll show you a pilot's view, up next. "i'm part of an american success story,"
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they are learned the main landing gear struck the seawall off the edge of the runway. a lot of airports have their own unique challenges and san francisco is definitely one of them. we get a cockpit view of what it's like to land the plane at that particular airport. >> the triple 7 on a parallel runway. what's going through your mind as you approach? >> i'm making sure my air speed is sufficient. i'm making sure i don't go below my approach speed which i'm currently way above that. right now i'm looking at the glide path and make sure i run, go past the runway. i'm monitoring my air speed now
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and making sure i'm not coming short or long. the seabed we have 200 feet below before the runway. >> anything unusual about landing at this airport? >> the runways are close. they are paired between 750 feet. we would make our way to our left and see the traffic next to us. also you have to make sure there's traffic away to take off. as soon as we te down we have a center point. >> when you hit 400 feet what goes through your mind? >> i want to make sure i'm stabiliz stabilized, which i am. right now i'm about 200 feet. i'll be crossing the seabed about 200 feet. off to our left is the crash.
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i'm over the runway. i'm making sure i come in. i'm making sure i have enough space. this is the thousands foot marker will most aircraft will land. as we pass the triple 7 well short of that thousand foot marker. >> reporter: so by at least a thousand feet flight 214 missed its mark and now the question hanging over the airport is why. we're keeping a watch on the trial. they are on a quick lunch break. both sides using a dummy. we're going to have that live in about 15 minutes or so. be right back. matt's brakes didn't sound right... i brought my car to mike at meineke...
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the george zimmerman murder trial scheduled to reconvene in about 15 minutes or so. already a pivotal day in court. the judge rejected a defense request to show messages from martin's phone. it shows he was in fights and trying to buy gun.
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the judge said it's not clear they are actually from trayvon martin. she also refused to allow as evidence the defense team's computer recreation of the fight between zimmerman and martin. the defense will actually be able to use that clip as a demonstration in their closing. on the stand today self-defense expert dennis root. attorneys zeroing in on the position. they used a dummy, straddling it in court. side by side, to prover their points. the prosecutor pointed out zimmerman might have had trouble if martin was on top of him. listen. >> here's his belly button, am i in the area? >> yes, sir. >> did you have the defendant do this? >> no, sir. >> if this person, this
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mannequin were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me in. >> would be at your left inner thigh. >> right here? >> yes. if he was right-handed your left inner thigh. >> underneath my leg? >> yes, inside your leg. >> were you ware the defendant described to his best friend when he slid down that trayvon martin was up around his armpits? were you aware of that? >> no. no, sir. >> where would the gun be now in. >> now the gun would be behind your left leg. >> on redirect mark o'mara straddled the dummy slamming the head to the ground to indicate that zimmerman's injuries are consistent with trayvon martin being on top of him with that fight. i want to talk about the significance of that
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demonstration. let's bring in our legal analyst sunny hostin and mark nejame. that was an amazing moment and a lot of people watched that. who do you think was more effective. they were reenacting trayvon martin on top. one retreating, the other effective. >> i think the cross was spectacular today. i don't think this witness was a good witness for the defense. i'm surprised the defense went to far to call this witness. his bias was shown on cross-examination. he's getting paid to do this. he reached out to the defense because he wanted to do this. he sbrer viinterviewed george zimmerman. it wasn't a good witness from the very beginning which up until today was doing pretty well. on cross-examination he just really faltered.
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i was in the courtroom for part of the testimony. the jury was riveted because juries love demonstrations. i think when the prosecutor got on top of this charcoal dummy, it was very, very effective in poking holes in not only the witness's preparation but his testimony. >> mark, how did you see this? from the courtroom's perspective how did people respond? >> i think that many lawyers can't help themselves and ask too many questions. i think the defense was on a very big high and they should have concluded their case or restructured this case so he ended it. they opted to call this witness and i think that john guy did really terrific job of cross-examination. however he did that as well. he asked one question too many and opened the door to let the defense really basically retell george zimmerman's story.
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guy recouped pretty well. i think he did an effective cross-examination. the biggest thing i saw come out of this is the state is shifting gearing. they are coming up with a new theory claiming that george zimmerman was down on the bottom and trayvon martin was trying to get away. i think they realize they can't prove the case otherwise. >> do you think, this is really going to stick many the jurors minds when you see this demonstration and it was such a dramatic departure that this is something when they deliberate they will take that back and talk about what they saw. >> yeah. >> go ahead sunny. i'm sorry. >> i think juries love demonstrations. they love visuals. you look at the research most people are visual learners. i don't think they will remember
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it to the exclusion of all the other evidence that's come in. we know the defense may use this sort of animation, this cartoon to describe their theory of this case. the jury will have some visuals they bring back to the jury room. i don't think they will just disregard the other evidence and not take their common sense into the jury room. >> mark, sunny brings up the recreation that they are allowed to use as part of their wrap up but not as evidence. what is the significance of that? >> i think the defense got a very lucky break by the judge not letting it in evidence. i think the prosecution would have destroyed their witness if they were trying to really use it as part of their case. i think it was an ill-advised move to try to get it into evidence. they got the best of all worlds. it's not coming in so it's not subject to cross-examination but they the use part of it by way of demonstration to prove their point in closing argument
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without being subject to cross-examination. they lucked out on that one. >> sunny, who do we expect to see on the stand this afternoon, if you can read the tea leaves there in your crystal ball? >> i haven't been able to read the tea leaves well with the defense. as mark said, i think they should have ended on dr. di maio. we may hear this witness come back for some additional testimony. we've heard rumblings about ben crump being called by the defense. perhaps another expert. in my sense because the defense had done fairly well i think i should just cut their losses and not bring anyone up. mark o'mara said he believed he would rest today so perhaps this will be the end of the defense case. >> if i could, i think there's two areas that we know that are still looming out there. one is george zimmerman's father
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who has been kept out. there's a good chance we might see him and the judge has allowed in the toxicology with the marijuana. i think that will be dropped. the defense will want to try to end this on a strong note. they lost their best chance with dr. di maio so they have to find something to end it strong and then allows that tha to be the lasting impression. >> what do you make of the fact of the text messages will not be allowed in the proceedings? does that make much of a difference? >> absolutely for the defense. the defense in some way wants to trash the victim which is often a defense tactic. there was no way those text messages were coming in. they couldn't even get past the first hurdle which is authentication. did these photos really come from trayvon martin. is he the one that took them and
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sent the text messages. the judge had real concerns about that. they would still have a problem getting this in. this was an appropriate ruling but i'm sure the defense felt it was a significant blow to their case. >> we're going to be live inside that courtroom. don't go anywhere. i don't know you're all over it sunny and mark. a wife and mother of two kids allegedly tries to hire a hitman to kill her husband all caught on tape and it happens more than you probably think. l s here at the hutchison household. but one dark stormy evening... there were two things i could tell: she needed a good meal and a good family. so we gave her what our other cats love, purina cat chow complete. it's the best because it has something for all of our cats! and after a couple of weeks she was healthy, happy, and definitely part of the family. we're so lucky that lucy picked us. [ female announcer ] purina cat chow complete. always there for you.
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solution. >> the laws governing the immigration system aren't working. the system is broken. we're now in a important debate in reforming those laws. that's good. i don't intend to get involved in the politics or the specifics of policy. i do hope there's a positive resolution to the debate. >> the oath of citizenship. the senate passed a reform bill last month. the trial of whitey bulger started today with an f bomb drops. kevin leaks testified he saw bulger commit several murders.
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federal marshals had to get between to two men when they started swearing and shouting and the judge told them to beha behave. bulger is charged with 19 murders. you might recall this man. he doesn't give too many interviews and never in english. you might remember him. he was the head of the former international monetary fund who was arrested in new york accused of sexually assaulting a hotel employee. today he says he's still bitter about being perp walked in front of the news cameras. >> i think it was a terrible thing. the problem is that it's a moment where in all european american society you supposed to
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be innocent until you're convicted. the perp walk takes place at a moment where you're supposed to be innocent. what happens if you're just shown to everybody as if you were a criminal at a moment where nobody knows it's true or not. it's just unfair to put people in that way in front of the rest of the world when you just don't know what they have done. >> you can see more video clips on the entire conversation with richard quest. it's airing on cnn international. murder for hire. a police video taken during a sting operation shows a mother of two trying to hire someone to kill her husband. the video has gone viral. what drives somebody to pay for murder? john berman investigates. >> i'm going to take him head on
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and shoot him in the face. >> reporter: it's shocking to hear. >> done in the house? >> it would be messy in the house. >> reporter: in this hidden camera video 21-year-old julia plans a hit on her husband just as casually as planning a vacation. >> either the 18th of april or the 26th. >> reporter: she thinks she's hired a hit man to take out her husband for insurance money but she was commissioning an undercover detective for murder. >> there's an insurance pay off. that's the motive to kill. they're taking a risk because the pay off for them is so great. >> reporter: if fbi says it's not as uncommon as you think. in january there were 140 cases not tied to organize crime pending. in this video that went viral newlywed dahlia burst sboos tears as police break the news that her husband was murdered. turned out it was a set up in he
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wasn't dead. she offered more than $6,000 to an undercover cop to have her husband murdered. die san zirmman was offering $50,000 and susan williams received a maximum sentence for trying to solicit this man in maurd for hire plot. >> i'd love for this man to d disappear. >> remember, you only kill the one you love. the most dangerous risk factor is to be married these days. >> she's charged with solicitation of murder. she could face up to 25 years in prison. the other three women were convicted in each one of those cases. we're keeping a close eye on the zimmerman murder trial. they were at a lunch break and this is actually live picture. you can see george zimmerman sitting there.
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the judge there and they are waiting for the jurors to file in. when they do we'll bring it to you live after this break. yeah excuse me, the equinox in atlantis blue is mine! i was here first, it's mine. i called about that one, it's mine. mine! mine. it's mine. it's mine. mine. mine. mine. mine. it's mine! no it's not, it's mine! better get going, it's chevy model year-end event. [ male announcer ] the chevy model year-end event. the 13s are going fast, time to get yours. current chevy truck owners can trade up to this chevy silverado all-star edition with a total value of $9,000.
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we're waiting for the murder trial to begin. you're taking a look at live pictures as they get under way. we'll wait for the jurors to come back. the judge is speaking giving
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some instructions there. i want to bring in our cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and mark nejame to talk about zimmerman's attorney might rest their case. what are we expecting this afternoon? >> yeah, i think they may. just before in court i've been observing it and they're talking about entering in exhibits. they may be at the end of their case. it's unfortunate because i think mark was right on when he said di maio would have been the best witness to end on rather than dennis root. looking at what's going on it's possible that the defense may rest. >> mark, if this goes to the jury over the weekend, how quickly do you think they will come back with a verdict? >> remember, it's not going to end that quickly. sunny is right. they're getting all their housekeeping issues in order but when it's done with the defense we still have the probability
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that the state will put on rebuttal testimony then renewed acquittal charges and charges to the jury. with all that said, i think there's a i don't think they're going to rush a verdict. unless there's truly big debate, the possibility of a hung jury, which could make it go on forever, i think they're going to want to get out of there. they seem to be hard working jurors. they've worked whenever the judge has given them an option to a break. i think they'll hunker done and get a relative rly quick verdic >> i'm just being told here that inside the courthouse the judge has just asked george zimmerman if he wants to testify. he says he hasn't decided yet. let's listen in to this conversation. >> you're going to need to discuss this with your attorneys. >> i assume it would depend on how long the recesses are. at the end of the day. >> okay. if your attorneys are finished with two witnesses before the end of the day, if you think you
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would then know whether or not you want to testify? >> on mr. saddam hussezimmerman >> i am asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. mr. zimmerman, i will give you more time, sir, to discuss this with your attorneys. thank you very much. >> wow. sunny, mark, jump in here. how unusual is this? >> yeah. you know, oftentimes -- >> if you've been watching throughout -- go ahead. >> go ahead, sunny. you go first. mark go second. >> well, oftentimes judges do ask defendants whether or not they've consulted with their attorney. whether or not they've made the decision to testify. because it is the defendant's decision, not necessarily the -- it's never the defense attorney's decision.
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i also think what you're seeing, suzanne, is just a bit of tension between don west and this judge. he's obviously pushed some of her buttons. and you're seeing -- you're seeing a result of that, i think. >> mark? >> yeah. i agree entirely. there's been -- there's been really ongoing friction between don west and judge nelson, i think, for quite a while now. the tone and tenor of the way she speaks to mark o'mara, the prosecutors, is very much different than you see the exchange going on back and forth between don west and judge nelson. so, you know, don west has got to watch it. he's a good lawyer. very, very good lawyer. but you can never let your emotions get in the way. a lot of times you might not like the judge, but you have to respect the position. with that said, i think there's a real tension on this thing. i'm convinced to this day, knowing this defense team as i do, that they would have never let george zimmerman go on that hannity show and talk. i'm convinced by my gut,
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nobody's told me this, that george zimmerman insisted upon it. when you look at mark o'mara's face in that interview it's just not one of being a very happy face. i think there may be some internal things going on right now between the defense lawyers and their client about whether he should take the stand. and he shoul absolutely not take the stand. >> i find it hard to believe that he hasn't actually made up his mind. like this would have been sorted out before this point. we'll talk more about that on the break, on the other side of the break. i'm being told we're going to take a real quick break and we'll be right back. , a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but not anymore. bob's doctor recommended a different option: once-a-day xarelto®. xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescription blood thinner for patients with afib
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evidence. i think a lot of defendants go on gut, whether or not they feel they're winning or losing. a lot of defendants just want to tell their stories. they really want to tell their stories. as mark was saying, the fact he told his story to hannity, the fact he said he did this sort of recreation with the police department, remember during the bond hearing he actually got on the witness stand and apologized to trayvon martin's parents. and so this is a defendant that wants to talk. it would be a huge mistake for him to talk. but he's someone that seems to want to tell his side of the story. >> mark, read this for me. what does that mean, the fact that now he might want to get up there and tell it like it is from his point of view? does it indicate that there was some weakness, that something turned here that didn't go in his favor? >> i think that it's very much what sunny just opined. i think that he wants to be able to, you know, i think he believes there's no question in his mind that he believes he's right. and he wants to tell the world
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that. every time he's taken the stand or every time he's gone on tv, these are ill-advised moves that, you know, you're an old saying in this business. you can't catch a fish if its mouth is closed. if he had shut up from the onset, there wouldn't be a prosecution here. let alone this prosecution. there would be no prosecution if he had just shut up. with that said, every time he makes a statement, it is just music to the prosecution's ears. so i think that there may be an internal struggle. these defense lawyers know that they've got a strong defense case. and there's no reason to put him on the stand. with all the multiple statements that have already come before the jury, with a character that's been able to be put together, the composite through the other witnesses that has been able to put together in a positive way for the defense, they know it's foolish in order to put him on the stand. if he's still evaluating that, you know, they're going to have to do some sitting down and talking to him. i will also tell you that it is a dynamic process as sunny says. you know, a lot of times we simply in trial are evaluating minute by minute, day by day
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whether we're going to put the client on the stand or not. it's never a linear process in trial. some days are good. some days are bad. we've seen that over and over again in this case. but i think that for a defense case, they can't ask for a whole lot more than they've got. and to put him on the stand could be legal suicide. >> so, sunny, if you were in that position and you had to advise george zimmerman, how would you convince him that, you know, that would not be the right move? >> you know, i think you have to tell him, listen, you know, i'm in your corner. i'm your representative. we are doing a good job. you need to rely upon my legal expertise, from my vantage point, i'm telling you that, you know, you're fine. i can't promise you what the outcome will be. i can tell you you're in as good of a spot that you can be in. i think they also need to tell him that prosecutors look forward to the opportunity to cross-examine a defendant that has given multiple inconsistent statements. when i was a prosecutor,
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suzanne, i dreamt about cross-examining certain defendants. defendants do not do well against a skilled prosecutor on cross-examination. they just don't do well. when you're a prosecutor, you are taught how to do this. you go to school and learn how to do this. he's no match against a bernie de la rionda or john guy. they've got to impart that to george zimmerman. >> mark, real quick. final thought here. if he took the stand, george zimmerman took the stand, it would be a game changer, yeah? >> without question. this prosecution team is excellent. i've seen them pull one rabbit out of their hats after another. to sound cliche, they've made mem lemonade out of one lemon after another. they've taken a difficult case and made a case out of it. for them to be able to have this, this would be glorious for
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them. >> okay. >> the defendant can't take the stand. >> okay. got to leave it there. we're going to be watching every minute of this. my friend and colleague brianna keilar is going to take the helm from here. thank you very much. i'm brianna keilar in for brooke baldwin. thank you for joining me. minutes ago george zimmerman let the judge know there is still a chance he could testify in his defense in his trial. interesting exchange. let's listen to this between judge deborah nelson and the florida man charged with second-degree murder. have you made a decision, sir, as to whether or not you want to testify -- >> i object to that question. >> overruled. have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in the case? >> i object to that question. i think that's -- >> overruled. the court is entitled to enquire of mr. zimmerman's determination as to whether or not he wants to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no. not at this time, your hono